DUST Search - Widen Speed Gaps Between Frames

Yun Hee Ryeon wrote:

Bojo The Mighty wrote:

Actually my sensors are pretty fine, it's just impossible for any scout to get their precision as low as their profile. I got 20 meter coverage and avoid ADV scanners just fine....

I am sneaky but guess what, LOS detects anything despite profile. There's no way you can prevent someone scraping their crosshairs over you by chance and picking up your chevron. Sure, Scouts are dastardly things when no one has detected them at all, but really a flawed system is working against us and lowering profile is not going to stop that.

You miss the thrust of my argument a little, Bojo. I'm not arguing in favor of lowering profile further; that aspect works fine. But, in my book, 20 meters should be basic, starting sensor coverage for light frames. Upgrade skills to extend out to 30, Gal Scout out to 40 (or a little more, depending on how the math works)-- enough to really see a lot of what's out there, hopefully before it sees you, and to notice when some little orange arrow is pointing your way.

Sure, you can still be spotted from further away. They get to hunt your butt using LOS, but you get to see where they're looking as long as they're within range, and you can maneuver accordingly. Put the "disappear" back in your appearing act.

What's more, if they haven't seen you, yet, you can try and work out a course to reach them that doesn't take you into line of sight until the last moment, either by using the ground mesh or the facilities. Sure, it won't work in every case, but picking your targets carefully is part and parcel of offing people as a scout, true?

I agree that there's an issue with scout resources versus logi resources, especially at the proto level (I really hate proto kin-cat shotgun logis; talk about role theft), but I'm not at all sure that greater speed is the answer. A recon unit need not be defined by speed-- and that seems like the Minnie scout's schtick, anyway. A stealth recon unit needs mostly to be able to see without being seen.

If we can limit the scan resolution of those damned hackable resources (which currently seem to detect freaking everything), we'll have the "without being seen" bit essentially down. The "see" bit could use some serious work, and I'm not talking about resolution; just range. Spy versus spy can wait; I'm more worried about spy versus random hostiles.


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Ghost Kaisar Pradox One 466	Posted - 2013.10.10 00:26:00 - [1] - Quote Yun Hee Ryeon wrote: Bojo The Mighty wrote: Actually my sensors are pretty fine, it's just impossible for any scout to get their precision as low as their profile. I got 20 meter coverage and avoid ADV scanners just fine.... I am sneaky but guess what, LOS detects anything despite profile. There's no way you can prevent someone scraping their crosshairs over you by chance and picking up your chevron. Sure, Scouts are dastardly things when no one has detected them at all, but really a flawed system is working against us and lowering profile is not going to stop that. You miss the thrust of my argument a little, Bojo. I'm not arguing in favor of lowering profile further; that aspect works fine. But, in my book, 20 meters should be basic, starting sensor coverage for light frames. Upgrade skills to extend out to 30, Gal Scout out to 40 (or a little more, depending on how the math works)-- enough to really see a lot of what's out there, hopefully before it sees you, and to notice when some little orange arrow is pointing your way. Sure, you can still be spotted from further away. They get to hunt your butt using LOS, but you get to see where they're looking as long as they're within range, and you can maneuver accordingly. Put the "disappear" back in your appearing act. What's more, if they haven't seen you, yet, you can try and work out a course to reach them that doesn't take you into line of sight until the last moment, either by using the ground mesh or the facilities. Sure, it won't work in every case, but picking your targets carefully is part and parcel of offing people as a scout, true? I agree that there's an issue with scout resources versus logi resources, especially at the proto level (I really hate proto kin-cat shotgun logis; talk about role theft), but I'm not at all sure that greater speed is the answer. A recon unit need not be defined by speed-- and that seems like the Minnie scout's schtick, anyway. A stealth recon unit needs mostly to be able to see without being seen. If we can limit the scan resolution of those damned hackable resources (which currently seem to detect freaking everything), we'll have the "without being seen" bit essentially down. The "see" bit could use some serious work, and I'm not talking about resolution; just range. Spy versus spy can wait; I'm more worried about spy versus random hostiles. A solid post. +1 for you. I'm going to speak on the behalf of the Minmatar Scout. The Minmatar Scout has higher speed for a couple reasons: 1.) It's Minmatar. They are supposed to be fast. 2.) It's a Hit and Run CQC Role. The Minmatar Scout is made to do one thing. Get a quick, undetected flank on an enemy, and then proceed to make all hell break loose in the middle of the enemy squad. This is why they are given the knives bonus. Knives are silent, and in most cases, kill in an instant on an unsuspecting opponent. They are shield tanked to allow them to return to combat faster (hit and run), but suffer from low eHP to make stay's in hostile territory dangerous. However, the current Minmatar Scout suffers from a problem. A SPEED problem. Hit and run doesn't work. Why? Because it's hit and die right now. You either have to kill EVERYONE, because even if you kill only 1 or 2 targets before running away, in most cases, the other members in the squad will gun you down before you can reach safety. Minmatar Scouts need either an HP buff, or a speed buff, because the scout is supposed to use his speed to make good his escape, and if this isn't happening, he either needs more speed (to get away), or more health (to survive long enough TO get away.)